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October 2nd, 2020

WJPF Radio with Synergy Therapeutic Group

Fri, 10/2 10:44AM • 21:20

A subject this morning that is close to a lot of people in Southern Illinois.  We’ve got people who think they cannot go through life without a pain pill. And this morning, I was lucky enough to get a guest from the Synergy therapeutic group.

A segment brought by Hannah teeny by Hannah potty. They’re on a potty. Right.  Rob, first off, good to meet you, sir. Thank you so much for inviting us. Physical Therapist, you literally are hands on when it comes to treatment.

That’s correct. All right. And let’s take a look at this. Let’s categorize this problem course we’re talking about billions of money in this newsmen miniature budget, a mini budget that came out of Washington to deal with opioids already millions of dollars coming into the United States.

While we’re talking about is more than 72,000 Americans died of drug overdoses last year. That’s up from 7% from 2016. In 2016 63,632, overdose. Now I believe that overdose is specific to opioids. That’s correct. Right, because I think it’s 73. Once you throw in fentanyl and some other things,yes.

What it is most of the opioid overdose, actually its heartbreaking. Reason is, these are the people getting into Oh boy, not by their choice. They are not looking for street drugs. They’re not going out. These are normal people like you and me, and somehow detained begin.

So what they do, they just go to their physician. And they are looking for solution because they’re hurting, they need to go back to work take care of their own young children. They have to get on to their life. So the problem begin right from there.

It’s interesting you say this, because a friend of mine talking who had gone to rehab for opioid addiction. That’s exactly and looked around him and saying these are not the people. I mean, it’s a woman well dressed, you know, clearly has a couple of kids.

So he’s the sticker on the back of the car, she climbs out of an expensive SUV and goes into rehab, didn’t start from a dentist’s visit at the start because she had some back pain.

She didn’t start because maybe she broke a bone. Because what you’re talking about is this on ramp is kind of an Oculus, and I’m familiar with it had a lot of dental work done. And not long before that I had broken my back. seven weeks flat on my back. And I from my perspective, those pills had a place in my care.


But I sensed in particular after dental work. I’m sitting in front of the TV and thinking oh, wow, now I get it. I mean, I felt really, really good. And and I realized that I cannot do what I do. What you and I are doing interviews whacked out. So I put the pills down. But I understand the war. Yeah, it’s very base.

Yeah, so actually, I’m doing this for 30 years. So when I was going to school, we had really like somebody get into an accident or somebody had a surgery, we did not have synthetic opioid available during that time. The only thing was available is morphine. If somebody has a severe burn the hospital where I went for my my training. It was a good well working hospital.

You will see all kinds of pacing, but whenever they got prescribed initially to go through the initial phase of injury, or they have a burn or something like that, but then they wind them off very quickly within a week because they know what happens then because that time we have no synthetical point available right but synthetic opioid has developed in case more people get into more trouble because actually they are more addictive synthetic opioids. Once they get hooked on to that. So it is very difficult to get them out.

We see these kind of people every single day. Like those people who are going through the rehab and they’re trying to keep the problem is still there. So after they are D addicted we see them so we get referred from Addiction centers, like, you know, gateway Center here in Carbondale, we get a lot of referrals from them.

These are the people get into the whole cycle without their knowledge. And once they get in there, so they want to get out because this is going to kill them today or tomorrow, right? You end up with two problems, the pain and the pills, all right? I mean, when it comes that we get rid of the pills, hopefully, and we start looking for a problem for the pain.

I have a tendency to always think of the spine, I guess it’s because my own personal injury. But when you read statistically, I’m not the only one with back problems, because it’s so keyed into everything we do you bend over to pick up the package you put on your pants in the morning.

And, you know, I talked to a chiropractor, he says, some of the worst injuries I’ve seen in my office are from somebody trying to make a bed. Okay, all right. And I mean, for the little thing. So what can be done? Because Americans in particular, say, I’ll take a pill and I’ll fix it. Right. But with your program takes a little more effort, doesn’t it?

Yes. The the whole thing begins with understanding, this is why we do workshops, we get people educated, so more, you know, less, you likely you are going to get into trouble. So the number one myth, we think that if you are hurting, you have a problem.

Okay. But which is not always true. So let’s back off a little bit. Like there are certain conditions are there that those are known diagnosis? Like for example, you have rheumatoid arthritis? Those are less than 1%. Okay. Oh, really? 1%? Less than 1%? Thought much higher? No.

Now we are talking about another 99%. Now, if you’re looking at chronic pain, so chronic pain is said any buddy have a pain more than three months. That’s what they say.

And I tie that into people who work on keyboards and wrists and hands and that chronic pain that they find everyday to do there.

Yeah, but actually, those are all myths that has not no bearing on this no kid, no, no, no bearing on this. Because pain is just one symptom. So anybody who is suffering with pain, this is what I want to clear up. This is what all your listeners to hear.

This is what I’m talking about for last 20 years. And they have substantial research goes behind. Whatever I’m telling it is not, I’m telling it, it is well documented in all medical journals and all over the places. So the first thing, pain is not always an event when events can happen, but the event happens only 2% of the time.

Now what is an event, like you’re driving your car, somebody hit you 40 mile per hour, that’s an event, you fell from a tree, a tree fall on you, that’s an event, but that those are not the one you are worried about pain, that time you think you are going to leave or you’re going to die because those are major accident. And those are events. Now another 98% of the time, it is a process

chronic inflammation and your nerves say there’s a problem with the joint and we associated pain when in fact there’s a problem behind it.

Yes, the process begins separately for men and women. So if your back is hurting as a man, it is completely different than when it hurts the back of women, they have completely different so they cannot be treated the same way. If a soldier is hurting of a man and a woman is hurting, it is completely different. It there is no no rhyme or reason to believe they are the same What’s the difference?

Okay, so in the difference we have few key areas let’s start with pelvis. So in female pelvis, it is wider now how much it is wider one third wider than male pelvis. Not only that it moves so that is just one difference. There are many other differences are there between men and women. So when a back of women or it hurts It never anything else. Besides pelvis, it always starts from the pelvis.

Hundred percent of the time. Mind you, I’m not talking about traumatic pain. Because this is what I want our cars Yeah, I’m not talking about somebody getting into a car accident has a broken vertebra I’m not talking about that I’m talking about those pain slowly develops.

So pelvic issue can start in early teen in female because I see a lot of girls from Southern Illinois University and many other school they have problem with the pelvis based on the maturity not only that the pelvis is is a multi jointed area. So basically we can say it is three bone it’s not three is much more than that. And that is a perfect balance actually. begins from left to right front to back. So it is so it is kind of you can imagine pelvis is the basement of a house.

When the basement of a house settles, you’ll see cracks on the roof crack on to one crack on everything else. So what happened anybody a woman you know, complaining of people They go there, they are looking for cracks in the wall. Because the second myth is that so if you have a pain, we always need to have an X ray or MRI to find the cause.

But those are good tools for like any heart disease or any kind of other kind of problem, like cancer. Those are a wonderful tool. But those tools are quite useless for diagnosing musculoskeletal condition.

Because musculoskeletal condition only 2%, or maybe 5% is only physical, there is a lot more dimension to musculoskeletal condition. This is so focused, I’ve just noticed this, over the last few years in particular, you have to be worried about this chronic inflammation, soft tissue damage, you have to be worried about this, we’d always been looking at bones, tendons, but this continual

if you’re suffering any type of inflammation, your ankles, woman in particular showed me, this is why I take pills and she took her shoe off. And she’s like, it’s a balloon in her in her ankle, right? soft tissue damage what I’m talking about, you got to get the swelling down before you start looking at the problem. And I find that interesting. The perspective that you’re sharing with us this morning is looking behind you’re thinking the pain is the issue.

Well, why aren’t we looking at what causes the pain, kind of like a psychotherapist, I guess, or something along that line when you think about the thing behind the thing, the second order of effect? So what what are we talking about when we’re talking about treatment?

When you’ve come to this issue? We’ve talked about the difference between men and women, but what kind of what kind of a lot more can you provide to say look, put down the pills, we have a way for you to be happy and pain free without drugging yourself.

Yes, because the pain can happen of course, it can start from a simple thing What do you said somebody is trying to make a bed and started having pain. So, pain is not an event it is a process and that process usually have multifaceted.

So sometimes it can start with muscle weakness, and sometimes emotional trauma, stress, chronic stress, because when you are talking about all these things, we are forgetting one missing pieces of puzzle puzzle and which probably got a lot of attention last few months back and that we call as the fascia or the connective tissue block of our every individual the connections, it is no it is the connective tissue.


So actually, it made headline news few months back, because they found that now what is fascia? Like anybody who ever hunted, you are a hunter. Okay, so the only way you can feel raise an animal like a deer. So after you know the the animal get killed, you have to hang it upside down.

Right? Then you try to slowly peel the skin off as if you’re taking the clothes off. There’s no other way. Right? It’s 2018 any animal is process.

It has to be that way. So we did 2000 years ago, we’re doing it the same way. Exactly. And after you build that scheme that is a very thin membrane right behind the skin. Yes. Okay. That is only the visible part. That is the same stuff covers every single muscle fiber that covers every single nerf.

so right I’ve got it I’ve got a memory to tap into. Because what you’re talking about here is that whenever you take a deer apart, it’s that that membrane is everywhere separate compartmentalize.

Exactly, yeah. Like when you open up their gut, nothing falls off, everything holds it together. That is the connective tissue. So without addressing that, all this chronic pain condition we will unable to understand because that so is it a hands on treatment, is it Yes,it’s about being mindful is about stretching is about nutritional supplements. everything is combined. Because if you do not have any healthy habit, I can tell you most of the base and they come through our door. The first thing we tell them, hey, cut down on your soda. So just by cutting down down their soda or sweet iced tea, they can reduce that pain by 50%.

When people hear you say that, did they go? Oh, no, no, no, no. I mean you get that because yes and trained really. I mean my significant other a strong medical background with former registered nurse Air Force. There take a pill, you’re taking a pill. Um, we kind of have that culture because it’s a silver bullet.

We thought boom, it’s taken care of. We are not big picture people in many say we have attended to and I think animals do this to its immediate you focus on it. It’s a survival trait deal with the pain. It’s God’s way of saying stop it or run away.

Right. And not just one.

Yes, by being a former football player, I can personally attest to this Yes, and you pain, that suddenly becomes lower back pain.

So just treating just one body part that is just kind of foolish, because this is not how our body is made. We may think whatever we think.

But we cannot go against nature.

You had not talked about the brain yet? Well, and we probably should, because there’s this point in and I think this once again, is a life of probably a survival trait. You fixate on pain, and then the pain becomes worse. I think if you talk about dental work, that’s one of those that really people don’t understand.

Yeah, like, what it did it they did this research many, many times. And it is very interesting one, like, you know, you have areas of brain they get light up, like for example, if I take a pin, pin and pre cue, and I put those electrodes in your brain is going to show that the pinprick is there, okay?

When they do chronic pain patient, and they try to find that out, they cannot they find everything is quiet, they can find the pain. Where is it?

So these people, either they’re faking it, or they cannot find the pain, but when they put the electrode somewhere else with the emotional center emulator, in the brain center that place it just lightening up. So I’m thinking psychosomatic? Well everything psychosomatic is kind of a misnomer. This is where what I’m talking about the connective tissue.

It explains a lot more than the our traditional thinking. Connective tissue is covered as a single structure from head to toe. Under a microscope, it looks like efficient. We also say our body is full of liquid.

It should pull. Liquids get channelized inside those partial connections, So this is why water is very important for us to us to take. So these fascia actually have many, many different role it acts as a shock absorber. This acts as a as actually it holds on memories. And also this washer is the structural integrity.

The tightness can happen for many reasons. When you have injury, you have a tightness of the fascial system. If you have a lot of emotional stuff in here and tighten up, there’s a reason why we curl up in a ball if you Yes, when you when you eat bad food, it can happen that way. Anything we do abnormally, any kind of surgery, it can tighten up right there.

All of these things lead to any kind of pain medication, it is kind of unnatural. Fascia is suppose to free flowing. Now it starts to tighten. So without addressing the this, we cannot really address the whole situation of chronic pain because this is what we do every single day.

I wish we had more time. And hopefully in the near future. We will we’ve been visiting this morning the synergy therapeutic group. So brought by Hina potty, and First off is really good to meet you. And check it out kind of curious about your work, which we got into more in particular the treatment. I hope that’s something we can do in the future.

Because I’m more than a little bit curious. This is something that I see a lot of my friends dealing with. And they look at me points like these people say I can’t go to work without having some type of pain medication. There are people who work hard for a living, and they say they need this. And there’s I’m thinking some options for those people to write.

Yeah, I really love to say something because chronic pain is something which we have disregarded for a long time. I’m going to give you some simple thing like you take all the big diseases in one part, like stroke, heart disease, diabetes, cancer, everything in one part.

So So traditionally it says one in three people having a chronic pain In my opinion, I think every other people, one in every two people suffer some kind of chronic pain issue, which is unnecessary. This is what we are trying to talk. We try to do workshops.

When you go into an older demographic, it’s more than 50.Yes, yes, yes, yes. And from there two thirds are women. Because the women chronic pain is tremendous. In fact, in a in a website, anybody goes to our website, we actually dedicate one page for chronic pain in women, and they can do all kinds of stuff there. There’s a lot of resources there.

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